It's not converting, it's not linear. It's like being a bank. You loan cash, and get it back (the water capacitor never discharges from the cathode to the anode, it charges, does not reach critical voltage, and runs back down into your battery). You could do it with an AA, but only a rechargeable one. and it would wear before it's done the whole ocean, and lose it's ability to be recharged. But alas, ocean water is not dielectric. So it's conducive to current flow.

The whole HHO buzz is not about HHO, it's about how we get it. And for how little. HHO isn't even HHO. It's Hydrogen and Oxygen, a lot of it monatomic.
I didn't say zero, I said practically zero. There will always be a loss of energy, however small. But, take note, I'm not talking about splitting the water directly, but rather obliquely. the point is to not run current through the water, but instead charge the plates and uncharge them several thousand times a second. through doing this the water is split, but indirectly. Ie, you're using a high voltage CHARGE on the water capacitor, and letting it dissapate back into the battery on the off cycle.

I find it is the cult that shun's logic and foreign ideas. I believe the "Oh duh, we know better" attitude has been adopted by every cult in history. So maybe every HHO thread has one or two non-occultists, which you find surprising and I find refreshing.

 

Car battery's right, but you've got to keep it there unless you've got it connected to your alternator and your car is running.

 

Wait, no, you'll need the battery the whole time..

 

You could use a supercapacitor instead of your AA battery and get more recharges. Of course you need to start with a fully charged one and may need to recharge it once a week or so, because of the inefficiencies you expect in the system.

Then construct your system with a 555 multivibrator driving an Infineon mosfet

With that system you should be able to demonstrate the process on a small body of water, like a swimming pool or Lake Erie. You may not even need the working model, just a good description, a little theory, and a schematic.

Then, submit it to the Infineon contest by mid-August and win $10,000. That should go a long way to developing the prototype, particularly if you are able to recycle the dollars just as you plan to do with the electrical charge. You know, you buy what you need, then re-sell the HHO you produce to get the dollars back. Have you looked up the application yet?

John

 

You need to work on your people skills and read the thread from the beginning...

 

On the flip side, here is a hydrogen generator that uses 0 electrical power.

http://www.instructables.com/id/SODA...GEN-GENERATOR/

 

Hi Flex,

But that just generates regular H2. We need the supercharged HHO for it to work in the engines as proposed.

John

 

There seem to be a lot of people out there who confuse "conjecture" with "theory", and "Gee, that seems like it should work" with "logic".

The scientific method requires that you make an observation about something, break it down into testable hypotheses, and then test them in such a way that a) the success or failure of the test can be attributed to only the one factor under test, and b) the test and results can be reproduced by any other similarly-equipped independent experimenter.

I'd be more than happy to entertain many of these ideas if only someone would provide actual test results. For some reason, though, nobody ever does. They are happy to provide plans, but no test designs nor results.

Why do you suppose that is?


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@Torben,

As has been stated earlier, it borders on religion or cult behavior. BTW, one of the criticisms of religion is that it neither presents nor leads to any hypotheses that can be tested. That may be true, depending on how one interprets certain texts. However, the hypothesis that prayer helps healing and recovery has been tested several times in the past decade and has always given negative results. In fact, some studies showed a slight negative effect of prayer.

Nevertheless, if the OP is so bent on proceeding with this effort, then I have no problem giving suggestions. I am just hoping against hope that he will post his results. John

 

John, I agree completely.


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The PDF I was trying to post was supposed to be based on this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Haj4BX0trU (John kanzius)

I don't believe it's even close it looks more like Browns Gas Generator.

I think ElectroMaster thought it wasn't worth the space on the server.

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42kHz is far too low to make any difference, the lowest resonance mode of water is around 22GHz and liquid water doesn't have a resonant peak because all the molecules are tightly hydrogen bonded to their neighbours.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...th&btnG=Search

The idea that something 'magic' happens at 42kHz is total rubbish and the idea that the current somehow alters water's infrared absorbtion spectra is even more ludicrous.

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Very interesting thread, just got done reading it. Too bad most of it was off topic and non helpful. I joined this forum to find a similar circuit that flex is looking for. I already built the electrode and tested the current draw at 50 amps at 12 v. Obviously this will burn out a typical car alternator. So the next logical route is current limiting PWM, which I am currently looking for. Switching 60+ amps is what I/we seems to be after here. I have a powerFET in mind which I will post when I get home. I have no idea how to bias it or drive it. I do know full on it can source/drain 200+Amps, and 800+Amps pulsed.

 

Now you'll need to show your test results or someone else's because you are 180 degrees wrong.

 

Does that mean he is half right?