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Old 15th July 2008, 04:51 PM   (permalink)
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"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." --Einstein Albert

Do not mistake this for those who simply require validation. For these people on this site are your contemporary's. We are subject to this time period maybe someday we will find the key to unlock that door. They just question the simplicity of such a statement. When so many have failed.


Meanwhile there is still a rage of the effect of law versus Science. It's all there but we still are confuse about the distance and time it may require. How many times did it take to create a light bulb. Yet the ignorance of a News Reporter as to imply that the Inventor had failed so many times until his last attempt.

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Old 15th July 2008, 04:59 PM   (permalink)
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I've seen many of these threads on this forum, past few years. Not really curious enough to actually try it myself. Explosives and pyromania just don't interest me. I can deal with getting a little jolt now and then, but something blowing up in my face...

Anyway, have had an interest in resonant frequency since ready about Tesla's earthquake machine. How was the magic frequency of 42 kHz derived? Wouldn't there be a lot of factors involved for a liquid, such as the container, impurities, the electrode, atmospheric pressure, temperature... I would think the frequency would constantly be changing. Or do you just need to be in the ballpark, and not that critical. I know from personal experience that a 555 isn't stable at all.
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Old 15th July 2008, 05:10 PM   (permalink)
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I know from personal experience that a 555 isn't stable at all.
It depends upon what tolerance you want. I have built 555 oscillators around 700Hz that are very stable, day in day out within 2 or 3 Hz of the original frequency.
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Old 15th July 2008, 05:16 PM   (permalink)
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Anyway, have had an interest in resonant frequency since ready about Tesla's earthquake machine. How was the magic frequency of 42 kHz derived? Wouldn't there be a lot of factors involved for a liquid, such as the container, impurities, the electrode, atmospheric pressure, temperature... .
What I think is kind of interesting is the cup of water in a Microwave and the effect of surface tension.

It may not start to boil until something or someone touches the surface and suddenly it releases it's energy storage ?

Does this theory actually hold water or is it just more hot air ?

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Old 15th July 2008, 06:40 PM   (permalink)
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Based on my previous post and the surface tension notion. Would a microwave with built in sonar have the effect as to prevent and allow the water to boil when reaching it's boiling point ?

Edit: I realize this may have little to do with hydrogen production but I just think understanding the covalent bonds and the amount of energy needed just to make steam is kinda of cool. Plus someone might not ever need to worry about being burnt by water in a microwave ?
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Old 15th July 2008, 07:24 PM   (permalink)
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It may not start to boil until something or someone touches the surface and suddenly it releases it's energy storage ?

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The "boiling" that one observes depends on convection, which depends on gravity, and a source of nucleation to initiate it.

You can demonstrate the nucleation phenomenon with a conventional heat source and degassed water. Take distilled water in a clean pot, heat to boiling, let cool, then without moving it, re-heat carefully to boiling. Be careful. In many cases the second re-heating will reach a super-heated temperature and once boiling is initiated, the boiling will be violent to the point of splashing and "boiling over."

The reason one sees the super-heating effect more often when heating in a microwave is probably that there are fewer hot spots with microwave heating than when using an electric burner or open flame.

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Old 15th July 2008, 07:42 PM   (permalink)
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The "boiling" that one observes depends on convection, which depends on gravity, and a source of nucleation to initiate it.

You can demonstrate the nucleation phenomenon with a conventional heat source and degassed water. Take distilled water in a clean pot, heat to boiling, let cool, then without moving it, re-heat carefully to boiling. Be careful. In many cases the second re-heating will reach a super-heated temperature and once boiling is initiated, the boiling will be violent to the point of splashing and "boiling over."

The reason one sees the super-heating effect more often when heating in a microwave is probably that there are fewer hot spots with microwave heating than when using an electric burner or open flame.

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Old 15th July 2008, 08:52 PM   (permalink)
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It depends upon what tolerance you want. I have built 555 oscillators around 700Hz that are very stable, day in day out within 2 or 3 Hz of the original frequency.
Why don't you just skip the 555 weak driver and build an Armstrong oscillator out of the power MOSFET or whatever you are using?
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Old 15th July 2008, 10:21 PM   (permalink)
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Better yet, use an Infineon product and win $10,000.

http://autoelectronics.com/contest/rev-up-rules

Unfortunately, I don't think Infineon will pay for just a theoretical product.

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Old 16th July 2008, 09:09 AM   (permalink)
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So, why don't you prove it? That is what science is all about.
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Old 16th July 2008, 10:31 PM   (permalink)
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HHO production that requires zero current??? So in THEORY you could convert the entire ocean into hydrogen and oxygen with a "aa" battery? Must be a mighty sexy "aa" battery to entice the water to rip itself apart. Sorry energy comes from somewhere and there are efficiencies involved when converting something from one form to another.

Why is it every time a HHO topic comes up the poster/instigator seems brainwashed or has a cult like mentality? I've noticed this on a lot of forums...
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Old 17th July 2008, 01:04 AM   (permalink)
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Why is it every time a HHO topic comes up the poster/instigator seems brainwashed or has a cult like mentality? I've noticed this on a lot of forums...
It is because they paid a fortune to buy the SCAM book about it.
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Old 17th July 2008, 01:20 AM   (permalink)
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HHO production that requires zero current??? So in THEORY you could convert the entire ocean into hydrogen and oxygen with a "aa" battery? Must be a mighty sexy "aa" battery to entice the water to rip itself apart. Sorry energy comes from somewhere and there are efficiencies involved when converting something from one form to another.

Why is it every time a HHO topic comes up the poster/instigator seems brainwashed or has a cult like mentality? I've noticed this on a lot of forums...
I think you need more then a AA, maybe a car battery. It's only needed to get the reaction started, then you can remove it, and it will keep going until it runs out of water...
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Old 17th July 2008, 03:31 AM   (permalink)
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When the battery is removed then the reaction stops. Think about ordinary physics and chemistry.
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Old 17th July 2008, 05:36 AM   (permalink)
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It's only needed to get the reaction started, then you can remove it, and it will keep going until it runs out of water...
If it's truly over-unity, it should promptly explode.
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