Actually Brown's Gas is real and pretty interesting. Its supposed application as a way to run vehicles on water is a load of dingos' kidneys, though. A little thing called the Laws of Thermodynamics means it cannot work. You'd have more luck sticking a windmill on top of the vehicle to generate electricity from the vehicle's slipstream (i.e., still no luck).

Maybe just the pseudo-science threads should be locked.


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Im not trying to make enough HHO to fully run the car, just enought to save some money at the pump.

By using a PWM circuit you could increas the efficency of power consumption.


PS: Dont ban my thread

 

Then buy a more efficient car or a small motorcycle and keep the car for when you need to take passengers..

 

Your vehicle will expend more energy creating the gas than it will regain by burning it. Your efficiency will go down, not up. Unless physics has been repealed, that is.


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Definately NOT!
And Forget all Meyers CRAP!

But if your going to do this, Keep your Total Current to 20 Amps or Less so it doesn't overload your alternator.

Plain Tap water is the Poorest option.
KOH in the water is Best, But AVOID ALUMINUM!
Just Tap Water results in the Greatest Resistance, so for a Given Current, it also produces the greatest Power Draw as well as Excessive Heating in the cell. (So WORST EFFICIENCY)

PWM Helps control Current, But as cells get hot they Increase in Current. So Watch your current or Build the Current Limited PWM circuit that is shown in the Projects, on my site.
Besides Frequency and Pulse Width, It allows you to set a Maximum Current Limit with a third control.

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Nobody has proven that HHO helps increase the fuel economy of a gasoline or diesel car.
The sites that talk about HHO just want to sell useless and expensive "plans".

Meyers claimed that his car was started with a battery then the battery was disconnected and the engine burned the HHO and its alternator made more. The exhaust system condensed the exhaust back into water so it was used over and over. Perpetual motion from water!

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Of course the case against Meyers was just a big scam organised by the oil companies to protect their profits.

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I don't believe that for even a minute.
If that were true, they would also be after the Hydrogen Car manufacturers, Electric Cars as these are becoming Much more popular.
Possibly also Solar and wind production which can offset oil heating in homes.

Actually if you check it out I am quite sure you will find the Oil companys are also involved in subsidizing these other resources to help reduce the load on the oil industry.

Oil WON'T Last forever and most of the new reserves being found are very expensive to get at and extract.

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Ever thought maybe its the oil companies producing all these ridiculous 'free energy' schemes, the 200 mpg carberator, and various other timeless frauds? It does a lot of damage to legitimate fuel alternatives, not to mention that anyone that does come up with actual ways to save or eliminate fossil fuels has a real tough time selling the idea.

 

You probably cannot make enough HHO to make any difference on how gasoline or diesel is burned.
The HHO scams have the car's alternator smoking with a high current to make a few small bubbles per second while the engine needs many liters per second.
The car's computer will say, "WTF?"

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I like HarveyH42's suggestion. Of course the oil and auto companies are supporting the HHO scam. Those alternators mentioned by AG cost money. The auto companies, which are having such a hard time selling cars, sell them as well as other parts that might get ruined.

John

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PS: I am all for locking any thread that mentions HHO. Or, maybe there could be a sub-forum for wacko pseudo-science.

 

hi John,

When the OP's talk of drawing 100's amps from their car alternators, they seem to forget that its the car engine thats generating the current.

The engine has to work harder, using more gas and considering the low efficiency of the overall loop, they will be out of pocket.

No such thing as a free lunch, in physics...

I agree, ref the locking of this type of thread.

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Well its all my fault, I should have reworded this thread so i could have gotten some actual help on the circuit. instead it starts a long debate that doesn't help the matter(if your not part of the solution then your not helping.)

Yes there are people that like to take advantage of other people and there money, thats just a way of life. But to totally put down a technology because of these scammers well.....(Do you work for the oil company too?)
I watch the stock market also and the news lies....

In the matter of a car having enough power to run a 30amp to 15amp HHO cell. well the alternator has the power now-aday's to push 85amp's max. back in the day they where only pushing about 60amp's.
lets also think about all the extra circuits in the car that are not used to often. Head lights, wind shield whispers, wind shield wiper pump, sun roof, power windows, radio, A/C, electric seats, power locks.

But now this post is totally off topic and I still need help on my circuit.

 

When the alternator is running the "head lights, wind shield whispers, wind shield wiper pump, sun roof, power windows, radio, A/C, electric seats, and power locks" it is also charging the battery. So the alternator doesn't have any extra current available unless you replace it with a bigger one. I didn't include the important rear window de-icer that uses a high current. My car has electric power steering.

Has anybody calculated how much HHO is needed then calculated how little HHO will be produced?

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If you want Help on this, Why not go to an Appropriate Forum that Deals with this?

http://oupower.com/phpBB2/

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/index.php

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/board,8.0.html

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hydroxy/messages

Or Any one of 10,000 Others.

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