See, here's the problem. The solution is not to do some thing or do it first or do it cool. In fact it's not to do any specific action at all. It's to do a little bit of everything with a goal to do the aggregate more efficiently and using less resources.

Here's an example. There's a local, dial-a-ride bus service that started up in my area recently (the Central Oregon area) and anyone can ride, round trip between the main towns plus a couple of side trips within a town, for $6.50 ($5.00 for seniors). Additional legs within the town are $1.25. You can also ride within your own town for $1.25 per leg.

So, a trip that would cost a nominal $20 or $30 in gasoline alone is easily less than $10. You made a challenge. My answer is that I've been trying to use the shuttle as much as possible and have found that I can really do most everything using this resource. Okay, fine...I went first...

Of course, you must keep in mind that there is a "cost" and a definite, "attitude adjustment" to using the dial-a-ride shuttle. You no longer jump in the car and go. Everything is on a pick up and delivery schedule and the scheduling usually must be done the day before. Also, trips between the towns are pretty much an all day affair no matter how slight your errands are.

So, the question is: Are you up to your own challenge? Are YOU willing to put yourself out just a tiny bit to locate and utilize something similar in your area???? Or, if not this, to find something that will do some small part in helping out dear old Mother Earth. And, yes...you get bonus points if it's, "cool".

 

Bounce. kv

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(How did I know you would bring it back to me?)

I didn't challenge myself, alas. But I do challenge those who wish to impact others. It would be nice if such could follow their own ideas, without always including everyone else.

I wish you could hear yourself, "let them use their regular car." Sigh...

I favor agency. Let a person choose his/her course. I'm all in favor of you pursuing your course of inconvenience and regression, but don't expect me, or worse, force me, or others, to follow it.

It's obvious you've identified a concern, and wish to address it. That's wonderful. But that doesn't necessarily mean the concern is valid, or valid for others, or even everyone. But I give you credit: most are not willing to do the very thing they expect of others. You appear to be different in that regard, and that shows character. And so I praise you---just don't drag me along into yesteryear...

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You are part of, "they" and your desire for "agency" pretty much defines the, "they problem". "I'm all for change and doing things better...but, on'ly for somebody else...just let me continue as I am".

Yeah, listen to myself saying, "let them use their regular cars". What you missed was that it was an attempt to mitigate the impact of "greening up" for those who legitimately typically drive longer distances (which does not typically include me since most of my trips are local...hence, the "them-ness").

Youj very much typify the stereotypical population. But, I will say this. You may not like the end result...and, I'm not talking about the global effects. I'm talking about when the government forces us to get off our collective asses and go green...and, it's surely coming (and, frankly I, for one, don't wanna listen to the pissing and moaning when it happens). Geez, you're like the Barack Obama campaign watchdogs...parsing every single word and nuance of those who would challenge you.

In fact, I don't know that we will be able to resist the government intervention (which, BTW is already happening) no matter what we do but, we can mitigate it somewhat if we voluntarily do better at it on our own.

It's interesting that you would consider using technology and other mechanisms to improve how we interface with the world as a return to "yesteryear" (jeepers creepers, I aint heard that word since the Lone Ranger opening dialog). Makes me think you are sort of like the Amish except mentally stuck in the consumerism of the 20th century rather than the austerity of the 19th.

 

These words sound familiar. Oh yeah, that's what the people in Vichy France said.

You missed my whole point:

1) Your ideas are fine for you, don't include me in them, please, and 2) I don't see progression as waiting for the stage coach to rumble in so I can get to town. That's what you're proposing, and that's moving backwards.

I haven't spoken to technology at all.

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[quote=saturn1bguy;331346]These words sound familiar. Oh yeah, that's what the people in Vichy France said.What he is suggesting may be to utilize what we have now streamline ethics and values.

You seem to think negligibly of any effect or impact but you will soon realize (Producing new technology) only addresses a small portion of the needs of the planet and it may not come as quickly as one would think.

We can talk new technology all day but how does it affect us now when you have spoiled rotten pig drinking vehicles.

They do no good accept to say I can spend what I want when I want. It's just me it's my money so who gets hurt ? That also sounds familiar I've heard drug addicts before that don't believe their funding major wars either.

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You attribute to me all manner of statements never made (you're quoting yourself above, not me.)

I'm not opposed to your ideas. I oppose people who heap their views or solutions on others by mandate, because they think they must be more sound. You hold nothing more than an opinion, a view. If you read my posts here, I've stated no views at all about energy use, or about alternate forms of energy.

I've solely denounced the idea of including me, or others, in your notions, without consent.

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The Vichy French may not have been the best example. I think the exact quote when the Krauts moved in was, "Oui! We are French...we surrender".

Well, it sounds like you want to take the isolationist approach. Of course, isolationism has never protected anyone else in the past but, maybe...through some magical or mystical power...you will be the exception.

At least, when the wheels of the governmental legislative steamroller roll over you, you can have the "pride" of knowing that you never gave in to any of that environmentally friendly nonsense.

But, for people who actually give a little bit of a damn, we'll continue to congitate on it and act when and as we can. I suppose you can take some comfort in knowing that you are among the vast majority...if that's actaully a reason to take comfort...which, I suppose in your mind, it is.

I'm sure you'll disagree with this next statement very strongly (making it a bit surprising that you'd even be inclined to visit a site/forum like this) but, figuring this sort of stuff out and trying to apply it is actually kinda fun.

What makes you think I want to go back to stagecoaches for public transport? That's your "Amish" mentality leaking through. I want to see amazing technological advances, not more of the same old horse s--- (keepin on the stagecoach theme) that you seem to equate with the environmental issues.

 

Again, I'm not speaking to technology or environmental issues, but to personal freedoms to move about at one's will, and not collectively. It seemed to me, amongst other things, you were advocating the idea that people should plan their trips more carefully (as people on a stage coach used to), than allowing people the ability to move about freely, without someone's ideas of how they should do it.

I do believe I'm repeating myself...

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Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, remember this is a forum and not the most efficient means to communicate ideas, somewhat like a Brown gas generator.
What I am trying to say is that it is easy to misunderstand what one person might be trying to convey and in the process a small farting contest ensues. I am sure if you both were in a pub drinking a cold one, you would have a better chance at expressing your views, as text really limits so much from human communication unless one is a prolific writer. I like both you fellows and I rather not see this errupt into hard feelings. So go make smoochy like and be buddies. Perhaps just agree to disagree.

What do ya think

 

I hope I did not come off preachy sounding here. I just hate to see two nice folks get into a misunderstanding and develop hard feelings. Like I said, I am sure it is just a comm error Now I will shad up and mind my own beez wax.

 

...But, getting one's panties in a bunch can be hilarious. It makes you walk funny and a zany time is had by all...

Well, actually I think you were initially saying that you thought it was fine that others might try to do some environmentally sound stuff and then...just maybe...you might consider it. Then, when challenged, decided that you really meant that you essentially thought that anyone who would tell anyone else what they should do is pretty much a pompous busybody.

And...that may be true. But, I think it's even more true that I, personally, would rather try to figure out how to do some of it myself...and, try to convince others they should also do so...than to sit around and wait for the government to legislate it for us (which, in my opinion is surely coming and, in fact, is already occurring).

Of course, I also realize that a lot of what you are saying is mostly just an attempt at being contrary.......

 

I'm sure no one wanted to have the government step in to resolve the country's consumption of anything during wwar II to fuel the ongoing economy.

Which supplied the mechanism of war at that point we are told to do our part as an American and that is was our civic duty.

I don't know if your realizing anything at all. But there is a battle at every point and your embroiled along with me in it.

There's is an ongoing battle to destabilize the economy which fuels the war.

Maybe if their lucky enough to even to drag the country down causing civil unrest (like Russia) bringing us to a halt.

Here's a small (science fiction) scenario of what could happen.

This will now open the door to (organized crime) pulling at the seams of liberty's you now have and will be taken under martial law. This can only happen when someone decides it's about me don't force me into anything concept.

Of course it will be necessary to have the U.N. step in to calm the situation temporarily try 30 million Chinese troops as they come rumbling across the bearing straight by force or allowed by both our Government and Canada's.

True, but this is about how one should maybe see using Hybrid technology's. Therefor establishing new concepts if employed could result in common everyday practices behavior. This will allow this technology's to serve mankind at large. It will therefor be unnecessary to consume every drop of oil or exploit all our natural recourses in order to please someone.

OK, so lets all drive big pig drinking vehicles and enjoy ours selfs without reason ? And furtherer infuse money to blow up our boy's and girls embroiled in a conflict they never wanted or asked for.

kv (Go ahead have fun) take me apart.

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