This is you chance to contribute. There may be some frequency and duty cycle that returns the greatest quanity of hydrogen per unit of electricity used. Setup an experiment with a PIC and vary the frequency and duty cycle to find out what that is.

Using the TPS and mass air sensor (same as fuel injection) determine how much hydrogen is required. Use the PIC to generate the correct amount of hydrogen using bursts at the sweet frequency. You will also be able to adjuct the fuel air ratio by changing the lenght of the bursts.

I would think this has already been done.

Does a car driven with the hydrogen setup run further on a given battery charge then a electric car with the same battery ?

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Once the PIC is programmed can the freq be adjusted on the fly? As the RPM of the motor changes the Para/Orthohydrogen production needs to change. The idea is to use the fuel as produced.

 

Here is the drawing of the electrode circuit as far as I can interpret from the sketchy copy I have.

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Again, Does a car driven with the hydrogen setup run further on a given battery charge then a electric car with the same battery charge ? It sort of urks me when people do not answer reasonable questions.

The schematic you posted is crude in that there is not way for the engine to adjust the quanity of hydrogen produced. Hydrogen output is fixed unless you turn the pots.

Yes. Let me try explaining.

The TPS (throttle position sensor), mass air sensor, and engine RPM can be used to determine how much fuel is required. (same as fuel injection). If you start with a fuel injected engine you could measure the percent of time the injector are active to get the same info from the computer.

Use the PIC to generate the correct amount of hydrogen (as determined above) using bursts at the sweet frequency.

You will also be able to adjuct the fuel air ratio by changing the lenght of the bursts

If you are new to uC's stick to getting the simple circuit working.

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Thanks for the help. I'll give it a try and let you know.

 

I asked you a simple question twice and the second time it was in bold. "I do not know" is a valid answer. But please answer it.

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The reason this technology gets bashed so much is that there are way to many scammers making huge exaggerations as to the performance and capabilities of these generators. These generators will not run the car exclusively on the gas they produce. What they will do is enhance the combustion of the fuel you are already burning which will increase efficiency. Because of this more efficient burn, the exhaust will contain additional oxygen which the O2 sensor will see telling the ECU that it's running lean and it will add fuel to compensate. You wire a circuit to the O2 sensor output that will offset it's voltage by about 100-200 mV which will tell the ECU that it needs to lean the mixture a bit. With these two mods significant gains are possible.

I didn't see the plans ever posted, maybe I missed them, but they are likely the same garbage that's floating all over the internet since someone mentioned the "coil" as part of the generator. If this is the "Hydrostar" or "HydroGen" or any other of the dozen variations of these plans for a water powered car they are bogus. I'm sure if you guys saw the electronics diagrams you'd see right away that they, for one, are not accurate. The generator itself is highly inefficient.

I have build several of these generators and my current model will produce approx. 1.2 liters/min of hydrogen/oxygen gas at only 10 amps and that's only running part of the generator. This is plenty of gas to make a difference in the combustion of the fuel and at a low enough amperage to not place a high load on the vehicles electrical system. Many of the systems being sold will claim 2, 3, 4, or more liters/min of gas and most are false claims. Some will produce decent amounts of gas but at 20+ amps which is just to much of a load and it will eat up any potential gains.

 

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Is there a forum where I can learn more about this? Like most everyone else I would like to squeeze a bit more out of each gallon. You have my interest.

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Sorry for the delay answering. The "hydrogen setup" is not a stand alone setup, it is just a suplement to the fuel system allready in place on the vehicle. To answere your question though I don't know. However I have to believe that because of the potential energy of the hydrogen that the use of battery power would be more effectively used breaking apart the water molocule than trying to push a motor. I need to say here that a conventional internal combustion engine designed to run on gas or diesel would get too hot on hydrogen alone. However it is my intention to change some of the components for example the head, exhaust manifold, valves etc. to be able to withstand the higher temps.

 

Finaly someone who has actually tried this.
Thanks so much for your imput.
What is the increased milage you have been able to achive?

 

How can 10 amp at 12V produce more power? It's 120W - about the same as your headlights. A small car produces 50kW - how is 120W going to effect this?

I could understand if adding oxygen to the intake made the combustion more efficient but when the added energy is around 0.24% then I am dubious. I'm even more dubious when the added energy is produced by the same internal combustion engine.

If this worked then every motor producing company would be adding it to their vehicles. Believe me, they have checked it out.

Obviously, developing hybrids is so much cheaper than adding a Hydrogen generator. Or, it's a big conspiracy.

Mike.

 

I mostly agree Mike, but I am curious enough to look at what is out there.

I do not trust big business to do what is best for me.

But until I see some numbers I remain a skeptic.

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Here in Aus we have a vehicle protection system. It's endorsed by the life guard organization. It's supposed to stop your car getting corroded. It is complete bunkum. The charity gets funds, the company gets an endorsement from the charity, the public buy the product. Only one of the three parties is loosing out.

Believe me, if a car company could find the slightest reason to use this "technology" then it would already be in their advertising.

If you really believe that China, Korea, India (add whichever) play the game of "lets pretend this doesn't work" then I'm afraid you are a little (actually a lot) naive.

Mike.
BTW, did you know that the most popular bottled water in Europe was Evian - try spelling it backward.

 

The auto makers will do what it takes to make money. At least in the US building cars with good gas mileage has not been a top priority, building cars that the public will drive off the lot comes first. I would not look to them for breakthroughs.

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At least in the US building cars with good gas mileage has not been a top priority, building cars that the public will drive off the lot comes first.

I think things are in the process of changing in the US. US car manufacturers have been under tremendous pressure, especially from the Japanese. Ge check out their books, it shows.
Something will change, but I do not think any of them have come up with the perfect solution, that includes the Japanese and Korean guys.
Even Australia has seen a turn-around, their large cars have given way to medium sized vehicles.
The next chapter is who can get the most efficient solution first, and believe me, if a few of the American big guns do not get it right and take the lead, we may see some old brands dying off, and the one I favour looks pretty unsteady right now.
Europe is certainly setting the pace with emission and consumption regulation, forcing car makers to show their hands, hopefully work done there will overflow to other parts of the world.
We certainly need some in SA, here you can still paddle along in an 80's rust-bucket putting half burnt engine oil into the air faster than you can imagine possible.
I do not know if hydrogen based drive is our solution, there are far to many critical variables. Just my opinion. I'm not to educated about fuel cells jet, but should get to that, then we'll talk again.