Really? How do you figure that? But before you answer…

1. We don’t “refine” low octane gasoline.
   • We refine crude oil into various fuels and chemicals like gasoline and diesel.
   • Gasoline as we get it from the pump is blended.
2. Octane is a measure of volatility with e.g. 92 octane being less volatile than e.g. 87.
   • The higher octane is obtained by adding things like ethanol to the blend.
3. You’re comparing apples to oranges, and you’re wrong.
   • The energy cost to turn water into fuel is more than the energy value of the fuel itself!

Not a whole heck of a lot compared to the reward. Especially compared to HHO, which actually costs upwards of 1½× as much energy to produce as it contains.

Forgetting something, aren’t you? It’s going to take a @#$%ton of energy to create HHO in the quantities you’re thinking of. That energy has to come from a power plant somewhere. And power plants don’t just conjure electricity out of nowhere. In most cases, they get it from fuel.

Why is there so much resistance? Because it’s silly. HHO isn’t a fuel, it’s an energy carrier. And there are more effective ways of carrying energy than HHO, so why bother?

 

What i think many fail to appreciate is that economics drives progress in this area. If there is no economic incentive to develop alternative energy sources, few will do it and, generally, govt won't support it. When the price of energy gets high, there are all sorts of activities going on. When it falls, there is little incentive. Human nature.

I think it is really sad that people think the high price of gas is due to conspiracy when a more rational explanation can be found in the laws of supply and demand.

As to "believe" vs "know", my 7th grade English teacher had a saying that I think is appropriate here: "An open mind is a good thing but some need to be closed for repair."

 

How do you figure that HHO is not a fuel? It runs lawnmowers, in countless video's I've seen. Define 'energy carrier'.

 

Hydrogen is a fuel. No one is disputing that. But as been said over and over and over here. You have to use energy to make the hydrogen from water. You end up with fuel, but more energy was used to make the fuel then it will deliver.

Sort of like this, for each $1.50 you give me I will give you $1 back. Not good for you, but I like it

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Fuel or energy carrier. The core idea is that HHO which has to be made from water is not a energy source. So it makes sense to classify it as a energy carrier much like a battery. It is a place/way/method/to store energy but is not the source of the energy. You could say the same for fossil fuel except that the energy was stored for us by nature a long time ago.

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OK, well I see it like I put $1.50 worth of gas on my car which ain't a whole hell of alot these days. I fill up the water canister at 1.25? a gallon, supplement the gasoline and increase the gas mileage. What am I missing here?

 

What's started to bother me abit is actually when HHO burns it is actually imploding. Still releasing energy through gas expansion which is good enough to push a piston down, but a slight loss from the implosion effect. Wish I had a high speed camera when I was lighting up my HHO balloon. Are those little molecules so desparate to get back together as a little drop of water.

 

If you loaded up with HHO you might be able to see some improvements. However, if you load up with water, then you must get the energy to convert it from water to HHO from the engine. More energy will be drawn from the engine for that conversion than is regained from the addition of HHO to the fuel. Net effect: mileage goes down.


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I think Obedience to Nature.

Fear killed the cat.

Ignorance is a lame duck. Quack !

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hehe. The phrase "curiosity killed the cat" discourages curiosity by implying that it's dangerous. I think curiosity is a fine thing, but just jumping in head first is a good way to hit your head on the rocks just below the water that you didn't know were there.


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Lets say a car will travel 30 miles on one gallon of gas. We are going to modify it to run on 100% HHO.

Use the engine to drive a generator capable of converting the entire output of the engine to electricity.

Use all the electricity to convert water to HH0.

Drive the car with a 2nd engine that burns you HH0.

Your 100% HH0 driven car will only travel 20 miles on that same gallon of gas. A loss of 33% just like in my money example.

Yes I am ignoring the weight of the 2nd engine and the HH0 generation system. They will make the numbers worse.

The idea is flawed because there is no energy that we can release from the water. We can only put energy in and get it back with some lost along the way.

What about this do you not understand.

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He was obedient to Nature when he seen the female across the street.

Suddenly a car from no where and the rush of tires and wheels as fear threw him into the street and he darts across. Missing the oncoming danger.

But alas he is caught by the opposing traffic before he can reach the other side.

Ignorance was beside himself when he herd the news that he was framed by fear.

Obedience just licked her paws and meowed.

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Hahaha! I agree, except for one thing: that's not curiosity; that's just regular old randiness.

That'll get any healthy cat in trouble any day of the week!


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I think curiosity killed the cat statement is answered by my signature. "But that's why they have nine lives"

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The cat had 8 identical brothers. But the cow jumped over the mooooooooon.

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