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Old 20th January 2008, 10:44 PM   #1
Default Helium balloon wind generator

I learnt from the magazine that people had installed wind generator into a small helium ballon and sent it 100 meters about the ground. It will generate electricity power for two household use. I think it is cool and easier to install for your house. People will not complaint about the noise problem.
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Old 20th January 2008, 11:46 PM   #2
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only problem is we have about 10 years of helium left on the planet, I wonder which we'll run out of first, indium or helium.
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Old 21st January 2008, 02:00 AM   #3
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Where will the helium gas go?
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Old 21st January 2008, 02:34 AM   #4
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it gets out of the balloon and escapes into the upper atmosphere where it's impossible to recover
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Old 21st January 2008, 03:51 AM   #5
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Then how do we collect the helium? Should they all gone by now?
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Old 21st January 2008, 04:21 AM   #6
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helium is mainly recovered from natural gas wells, but only a few producers bother, most just vent the helium with the other waste gases during the refining process.
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Old 21st January 2008, 05:41 PM   #7
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Helium is naturally found in the amptmosphere but extracting it isn't easy as it requires the air to be cooled until it liquifies, then is fractionally distilled.
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Old 21st January 2008, 11:51 PM   #8
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If I remember from correctly, I believe helium, along with hydrogen, is one of the gases that escapes from the atmosphere into space. The thermal energy in the atmosphere causes the atoms of helium to achieve escape velocity and leave Earth never to return.
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Old 22nd January 2008, 05:06 AM   #9
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Helium is not present in large enough quantities to distill out of the air- not unless you invent free cryogenic refrigeration. If you had that, forget about generating electricity with wind power, we've got free air conditioning!

Helium is only generated from nuclear isotope decay inside the earth. It is present in a small amount in all natural gas, however, despite its value there are only a few fields in the world with a great enough concentration to capture. The natural gas fields around Amarillo, Tx has been the primary source of helium, around 7%, for the entire world since 1925, but it's fast running out. There are only a limited number of other sources in the world and when they're gone, they're gone, and being an element there's no way to make more out of something else. Not unless you're going to use a nuclear reaction and that's way too slow.
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Old 22nd January 2008, 06:12 AM   #10
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Old 2nd February 2008, 01:47 AM   #11
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Use hydrogen then. It's cheap, easily available and lighter.

The only real drawback it its flammability but unless there are people present or a significant fire risk to persons or property, why worry?
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Old 3rd February 2008, 10:08 PM   #12
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Lol?

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Old 3rd February 2008, 11:32 PM   #13
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Use hydrogen then. It's cheap, easily available and lighter.

The only real drawback it its flammability but unless there are people present or a significant fire risk to persons or property, why worry?
This is an excellent idea. If I won the lottery tomorrow, I'd totally pour some of it into bringing back the zeppelin. I think the dangers of hydrogen gas explosions are way out of proportion to what current engineering could make possible in terms of safe use. Given the superior lifting abilities of hydrogen to helium, its greater availability, and now safer manipulation and storage of hydrogen, I'd be really surprised to not see it make a significant comeback in the next two decades.
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Old 18th August 2009, 05:46 PM   #14
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Helium is very expensive and you would need a lot of it to lift the turbine up into the air.
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Old 18th August 2009, 05:50 PM   #15
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And that is why the project never got off the ground
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