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Old 18th August 2009, 06:03 PM   #16
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And that is why the project never got off the ground
BR you are hilarious.

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Old 19th October 2009, 11:12 PM   #17
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I learnt from the magazine that people had installed wind generator into a small helium ballon and sent it 100 meters about the ground. It will generate electricity power for two household use. I think it is cool and easier to install for your house. People will not complaint about the noise problem.
Any chance of a web page or some reference to this? I'd like to read it.

On another forum a poster said his doctor had filled a surgical glove with helium and it had not deflated for a month. Perhaps we could float it up with gloves as helping hands.
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Old 10th November 2009, 10:13 PM   #18
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On a side note, I'd be interested in seeing if anyone has tried this with kites.

I know they have massive kite systems to help reduce ship fuel consumption for cross ocean vessels.

I personally fly sport kites and with strong wind (20mph) my 80" dual line kite puts up a hell of a fight (~50lbs of pull, not very fun for kite flying). I'm not sure how good it would be a holding up generator though... especially without having anything to easily stabilize it to prevent it from spinning.

Maybe if you put it across both of the lines...

Either way, you'd have to have a pretty sophisticated control system to make sure the thing doesn't just fall like a rock when the wind quiets down.

Just a though.
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Old 10th November 2009, 10:33 PM   #19
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sounds interesting, would anyone have any ideas how to overcome the torque issues. a turbine surely will only work if it is anchored to something solid, or the whole turbine will spin and do nothing.
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Old 10th November 2009, 11:07 PM   #20
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sounds interesting, would anyone have any ideas how to overcome the torque issues. a turbine surely will only work if it is anchored to something solid, or the whole turbine will spin and do nothing.
Its like a rolling pin held by lines on both ends . The alternator in one or both ends fixed to the handles, the roller part with fins along the tide allowed to spin. So the center is fixed and the outside spins . No torque on the lines
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Old 10th November 2009, 11:42 PM   #21
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sounds like a good design then, maybe it could work. just replace the helium ballon with a hydrogen one and your sorted.
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Old 11th November 2009, 03:36 AM   #22
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So how do you deal with the lightning issues and changes in direction?
Take it down every time a storm approaches and hope its enough?

Sounds rather high maintenance in terms of dealing with weather.
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Old 11th November 2009, 09:29 AM   #23
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So how do you deal with the lightning issues and changes in direction?
Take it down every time a storm approaches and hope its enough?

Sounds rather high maintenance in terms of dealing with weather.
I would imagine to take it down would be easy enough . If the lines going up were plastic ,woven carbon fibre /whatever with a line up one side and down the other I doubt lightning would be attracted . Lightning wants a quick path to ground . adequately insulated tethers would not offer it that .

The hydrogen in the balloon would not attract it at all and it would need a strike to do any damage, so what is there to strike . You could probably poke up another high point a couple of hundred yards away to attract it
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Old 11th November 2009, 11:01 AM   #24
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I watched them build a test version of this on a alternative energy TV show a while back. Very entertaining.

It's a completely stupid concept! Well actually it's a great concept, but its a completely stupid implementation.

Electrical power generation can only be feasable when the cost per watt is low enough, and that cost per watt includes installation, maintenance and longevity. Efficient reliable generators are heavy as are their shafts/bearings etc. Trying to make a generator light will multiply its price many times over AND reduce its longevity.

That factor alone kills any flying generator concept, then you add the high probability of catastrophic failure within a few years from any nasty storm condition! Even heavy cheap ground based windmills have a 20 year payoff period. So a flying system will have much more expensive rotor, and generator, and specialised moorings so even if it never breaks it will have maybe a 50 year payoff period? Now add the problem that it WILL break and probably quite soon.

It's one of those things like flying cars. It sounds like a great idea until someone with some common sense raises all those valid points... It will never be more than science fiction.
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Old 11th November 2009, 02:15 PM   #25
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yeah but science fiction is great though aint it, putting a man on the moon was science fiction once upon a time
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