simoin

http://www.freesolarelectricpvpanels...FRHOhgodxAPEJw

just from the look of the website I would have to say it is a hoax, but thought i would ask around and see if you guys have heard of it.

john1

Interesting ...

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Oznog

Yeah right. I'll be sure to put those free solar panels on the lovely 3 bedroom house I bought free and clear for only $673 using the techniques I bought in a course seen in a late-night infomercial.

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mneary

If this claim is true (it probably was at the time he wrote the book) he still only needs to sell about a thousand books before the supply is all spoken for. It's also likely that when people start asking for them, they'll start charging.

Are you willing to bet $12.95 that he hasn't sold those thousand books yet?

Pommie

The book says,
Buy some solar panels and then recoup your money by selling a book called "How to get solar panels for free".

Mike.

simoin

how to make a million dollars:
write a book entitled "how to make a million dollars" make it look good and have a big public release...

Krumlink

did you actually buy it?

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electric_ride

This guy has been on Ebay for years trying to sell this book .Apparently it isn't going as good as he claims LOL. Really how many free solar panels are out there .He also had one about getting free sheets of glass for building solar passive heating.

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phantomroller

Hey, free glass is easy, just go to the beach and waite for a lightening strike, when the lightening hits it melts the sand, and you have glass. Scoop it up before it solidifies, dump it on top of a tank of molten tin,keep it warm , the glass will float and spread out into a sheet, then slide it off the tin and support it while it cools so it stays flat, trim to shape. Voila... free glass. Maybe I could sell a book....

things

Yep, and something tells me that you won't be getting any free glass anytime soon!

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audioguru

Maybe he should give away his book and DVD for free then try to sell you the stuff he gets for free.

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crashsite

Gee, I always wondered if those courses actually worked....

hehehehehe...

But, to get back to a semblence of the topic...

How is it that a company can manufacture a DVD player (all the plastic molding, every screw and other hardware, connectors (including an optical interface), precision motors, the ciruit board (fully populated), the wiring harness, a friggin' LASER (for goodness sake), a lens and tracking system, the switches, and a display panel) and then include a remote control, batteries and a set of audio cables, assemble, test, box, ship it halfway around the world and retail it for US$30...and make a profit. But, they can't figure out how to grow or paint photovoltaic materials onto a substrate and connect it up to output the power and make it economically feasable. At least the basic process of converting light to electricity is something that's been done as long as photo light meters have been around (what? Like 75+ years?).

felis

Semiconductors are expensive to produce. Cheap DVD players exist because they use very small amount of semiconductor material. Photovoltaics use a lot. Calculator solar panel uses more silicon than a Pentium processor.

Krumlink

Yes that is true, Photovaltic cells use rare and sometimes dangerous elements (cadmium, Germanium, gallium) to get the effect needed, so then they have to pay the feds or whatever the fines for using it.

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crashsite

...and yet I can buy a calculator at the Dollar Tree for a buck and my computer costs hundreds. Go figure.

Where are the economies of scale in the solar panel world? That's the secret to the DVD player. If you make a bunch of them you can afford to expensively tool up and then produce with a small per-unit price (and, it doesn't hurt to have cheap foreign labor).

I kind of don't buy the argument about the toxic materials. Certainly, none of them are "created" in the process of making solar panels. The relative concentrations of them merely change. Now, if the stuff like cadmium and arsenic, etc. were to get "used up" or "sloughed off" during the life of the cell, it would be an environmental concern. But, if the overall manufacturing process includes the recycling and re-use of the materials when making new cells, it seems like most of the work of collecting the raw materials has already been done and you'd just need to re-purify them. For example, if cadmium is needed, it wouldn't make sense to dump any of it back into the environment at any step in the process.

I'm no chemist but, I find it difficult to believe that people who are haven't figured this one out.