mramos1

I ran across this and have to post it. Any ideas on how this trick is done?
Also, again, why all the bad videos on this magic.

Two rod on a plate that will light a 110volt AC light and the guy touches them with his hand..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87818295327978
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...47669641896403

philba

Yeah, my first thought was, if this is such a breakthrough, couldn't they shoot video that you could actually see what was going on. I wonder if their was a primary coil in the table and secondary coil in the platform or feet. with the crappy video, the guy may not have actually touched the rods.

I looked at some of the other videos and one of my favorite quotes from an "inventor" is "I don't know how it works but it does".

Pommie

If I was making that video, I'd put dry cells in the 2 feet or in the 2 black rods made of 74 elements.

BTW, I thought christmas tree lights were 6V ish.

Mike.

mramos1

philba: I had to link to it, I was like come on. But thought it could be like name the component.. Now "how did they do this".

Most of them either do not know how they work (but it just does) or can not tell you how it works since it was bought up by a big company AND they have their face in the video.

Funny we never see these items on the market. Also they all are dark, low res and look like they are shot in the 70's or on a borrowed film stage of some area 51 video shoot for a B movie..

A good sized coil might do it. My toothbrush works like that.
I coil in the base charges it through the case.

Or, there are people not paying for power and we too busy hanging out on electrotech we did not even know. hahahahhaahhahahahah.. Right..

I liked the 41 elements and 40 elements part..

mramos1

Pommie.. So you are telling me the 110VAC light bulb is rigged too!!!

It looked like a light bulb, imagine how people would buy into this.

I have a burnt out light bulb on my workbench (that has been there for a long time) when I get time I will unsolder the end and put something in it for my kids (LED or something)..

It looked like there was a solid rod across the bottom of the base too so that is probably where the cells are.

It looks like he puts his fingers on the two rods. So would think done with low power DC.

philba

if he's lighting those little xmas tree lights (C5, it looked like but the video was such crap) then he has to be getting something close to 120V from the rods. That's not impossible to do with a small cell but may not generate enough current. 2 C5s in parallel would take 10W or around 100 mA at 100VAC. That's kind of hard to do with a coin cell. Now if they were the sub minis that run 25 in series, then it's 5V at around 25 mA, iirc so it could be based on a battery in that case. I still suspect the transformer trick, though.

mramos1

I was (pun) schocked he was touching the rods. He can light at 110V bulb and can put his fingers on it.

On the xmas tree lights there are MANY in a string on the mini types. So not a lot of power to light a couple of them up. He probably had the same lights in the bulb too. I think the bulb was faked.

The video was short. So that would not be a problem to make it last.

Oznog

The xmas lights I know are many low-voltage bulbs in series. That's why they all go out when one is bad. IIRC the ones that don't go out like that use some sort of bulb that shorts itself out when the filament burns out, though the slightly higher voltage promotes burnout in the remaining bulbs.

I can't tell what type of light bulb he has there. And there are endless simple & easy ways to fake the video. He could have wires down his sleeve, on the table, batteries in the platform, batteries in the rods, whatever. The video is not useful documentation of anything.

I have to note he claims it runs on solar neutrinos and thus won't run at night. Interestingly enough, this wouldn't be the case. Neutrinos so seldom manage to interact with normal matter thay they usually pass through the entire earth without being affected (nor affecting anything else).

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philba

you conveniently left out where I talk about the series lights. the C5 and C7 are larger, parallel bulbs (5 and 7 watt, respectively). those, indeed, run on 120VAC.

The Mad Professor

the base board conceals two ni-cad battery packs as used in RC cars cunningly disguised as batons of wood , wired in series these will cheerfully make a 12v bulb illuminate ... whatever its shape when connected via a couple of common carbon rods, clever bit of psychology as not many people know such a thing exists as a 12v Edison Screw rough service bulb, you see a big lightbulb and jump to the wrong conclusion assuming it to be a domestic mains variety. Even with higher res video I dare say it would still amaze many.

a quick trawl through the magic shops online also yields a trick lightbulb with internal batteries

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tytower

OK but what if its not a set up ? The Physicists recognise 4 forces in the universe that we think we know electro-magnetic , gravity , the weak nuclear force and the strong nuclear force.

We can manipulate the first as radio waves and all the inventions that use electricity but thats about it . We really cannot contemplate what future generations may be able to make from the other three forces.

mramos1

Being I did not see one of these in the news this year (just the internet) and I will not know for a couple days if I received one for Christmas. Still gonna go with a fake.

Also, I use gravity a lot. Keeps me here on Earth. Allows me to hammer and break things when they slip out of my hand..

kchriste

These are very common in the Marine industry. 12V, 24V & 32V bulbs are used so that the "cheap" household fixtures can be used. It is also quite amusing when someone mixes them in with the 120V bulbs!
Of course it is a fake. Anyone who has discovered something like that, and there was a corporate conspiracy to hide it, would post the full plans on the internet for all to see. They wouldn't post a grainy video with vague mumbo-jumbo about "elements".

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Sceadwian

Okay, lets take the first claim and examine it... Over unity. This violates every law of physics known about, the energy HAS to come from somewhere, including this source there can not be over unity gain.

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tytower

The important bit you say yourself "Known about"
I repeat we only "know about" a little bit of electromagnetic force. We know nothing of what else really is there and undiscovered.
So to debunk something on the basis of "can't be right " is closing your mind to what else may be discovered.

Now my main point would be , if you dont beleive it possible thats fine , but why do you feel the need to push that opinion on others with a more open view.

I doubt its true too , but without building it , or examining it I wouldn't know. Why would he need the tape round the joined bulbs, he could hold them by the glass if its insulation thats required . He does that with the larger bulb

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