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IronRooster · 25th April 2008, 09:10 PM

I'm in the process of designing an automated carrying device. I want it to have the ability to lower and lift a max of 200lbs. Imagine a square robot with a basket on top. I am having trouble with the lifting system. I need it to lift the weight 2' into the air. Any ideas on how to do this mechanically?
PS I have access to strong servo motors.

picbits · 25th April 2008, 09:35 PM

Screw threads ?

Maybe some 10mm threaded rod with matching M10 nuts on the platform. Spin the thread and whatever the nuts are attached to will move.

Hank Fletcher · 25th April 2008, 11:01 PM

That's a good description to begin with, but there are still a lot of ways to do this depending on what the priorities of your design and what you're trying to accomplish are.

What's the nature of this heavy object? Is there a handle, or a hook, or spaces to insert forks like a fork-lift?

Is it something that's already part of the robot, or is it something extra that's being picked-up from the floor?

Does the robot have to move with the object after picking it up?

A picture's worth a thousand words, even one scribbled in MS Paint. Maybe you could post something with further description?

The only way I can envision lifting that much weight that high without having a really heavy robot is to have a strong frame on a robot that somehow lifts the weight from somewhere inside the frame. Would something along the lines of the lifts they use for moving yachts about on land work (see photo)?

**Krumlink** · 26th April 2008, 03:37 PM

A HEAVILY Geared window motor may do the job of lifting weight.

IronRooster · 28th April 2008, 02:57 PM

The weight is inside of a basket. A person puts the weight in and take it out. The robot is just lifting the basket. The only solution I can think of at low cost is a small scissor lift driven by a servo motor that controls a screw.

IronRooster · 28th April 2008, 03:04 PM

This is really basic

Hank Fletcher · 29th April 2008, 02:16 AM

Is it not acceptable to have part of the robot extend above where the object is, as in the yacht lift? If that's okay, it gives you more options, I think. I'm thinking four pulleys, 8" diameter, each on one corner of the crane, with aircraft cable or even just strong rope (200lbs/4 posts = only 50lbs per post and pulley).

How much is speed (how fast the robot lifts) an issue? Maybe you could work something out by connecting a motor to a hydraulic jack?

I think it's rated for two tons, which might seem overkill, but could be quite close to what you need once you lever it to get your 2' requirement. $15 and for sale here:http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/pr...=1209435255719

Hank Fletcher · 29th April 2008, 02:29 AM

After reading the reviews on that jack, I see someone recommended this one:

http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/pr...08474396672442
It's $25, but given your design might be more along the lines of what you need. Ooo... apparently the range is closer to what you need, too! In the Q/A, someone suggests that it has an extension of 15". Not quite what you need, but definitely something that'd be leverable for more range vs. weight.

Hank Fletcher · 29th April 2008, 04:46 AM

Here you go, 24" pre-fab. For about 4x my last suggestion, might be worth the time in labour to you, depending on your design. I'm beginning to see how using a single hydraulic cylinder with a couple scissor supports might work for you. How's this all working out in your design/cost plans? Is the retracted cylinder length of about 3' acceptable?
http://cgi.ebay.ca/2-Bore-24-Stroke-...742.m153.l1262

IronRooster · 29th April 2008, 09:32 PM

Thanks for all the help. I'm going with a car jack driven by a servo motor. It has the power and is easy to attach.

blueroomelectronics · 29th April 2008, 11:00 PM

A typical servo motor has no where near enough torque to turn a car jack.

Hank Fletcher · 30th April 2008, 12:09 AM

Quote:

A typical servo motor has no where near enough torque to turn a car jack.

Blueroom's got a point, although I think that you could get a high-torque servo for under $50 that'll do the job just fine.

That said, personally I don't think I'd used a servo at all. I'd use a large motor, slightly geared - you really don't need that much torque at all to run the jack, but probably more than a little hobby servo. I'd find some other method of position feedback rather than monitoring the motor turns, if it were me. But then, I'm not privvy to the nuances of your design.

blueroomelectronics · 30th April 2008, 03:12 AM

Look at the size of the motor on this car jack

IronRooster · 30th April 2008, 02:36 PM

Blueroom, where did you find that carjack and how much was it?

picbits · 30th April 2008, 03:07 PM

Might help if you post your location - the world is a big old place for sourcing stuff like this

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25th April 2008, 09:10 PM	(permalink)
IronRooster	Lift Problem I'm in the process of designing an automated carrying device. I want it to have the ability to lower and lift a max of 200lbs. Imagine a square robot with a basket on top. I am having trouble with the lifting system. I need it to lift the weight 2' into the air. Any ideas on how to do this mechanically? PS I have access to strong servo motors.

25th April 2008, 09:35 PM	(permalink)
picbits	Screw threads ? Maybe some 10mm threaded rod with matching M10 nuts on the platform. Spin the thread and whatever the nuts are attached to will move.

25th April 2008, 11:01 PM	(permalink)
Hank Fletcher	That's a good description to begin with, but there are still a lot of ways to do this depending on what the priorities of your design and what you're trying to accomplish are. What's the nature of this heavy object? Is there a handle, or a hook, or spaces to insert forks like a fork-lift? Is it something that's already part of the robot, or is it something extra that's being picked-up from the floor? Does the robot have to move with the object after picking it up? A picture's worth a thousand words, even one scribbled in MS Paint. Maybe you could post something with further description? The only way I can envision lifting that much weight that high without having a really heavy robot is to have a strong frame on a robot that somehow lifts the weight from somewhere inside the frame. Would something along the lines of the lifts they use for moving yachts about on land work (see photo)? Last edited by Hank Fletcher; 25th April 2008 at 11:09 PM.

26th April 2008, 03:37 PM	(permalink)
Krumlink	A HEAVILY Geared window motor may do the job of lifting weight. __________________ MechTronics World of Warcraft is a disease

28th April 2008, 02:57 PM	(permalink)
IronRooster	The weight is inside of a basket. A person puts the weight in and take it out. The robot is just lifting the basket. The only solution I can think of at low cost is a small scissor lift driven by a servo motor that controls a screw.

29th April 2008, 02:16 AM	(permalink)
Hank Fletcher	Is it not acceptable to have part of the robot extend above where the object is, as in the yacht lift? If that's okay, it gives you more options, I think. I'm thinking four pulleys, 8" diameter, each on one corner of the crane, with aircraft cable or even just strong rope (200lbs/4 posts = only 50lbs per post and pulley). How much is speed (how fast the robot lifts) an issue? Maybe you could work something out by connecting a motor to a hydraulic jack? I think it's rated for two tons, which might seem overkill, but could be quite close to what you need once you lever it to get your 2' requirement. $15 and for sale here:http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/pr...=1209435255719 Last edited by Hank Fletcher; 29th April 2008 at 02:22 AM.

29th April 2008, 02:29 AM	(permalink)
Hank Fletcher	After reading the reviews on that jack, I see someone recommended this one: http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/pr...08474396672442 It's $25, but given your design might be more along the lines of what you need. Ooo... apparently the range is closer to what you need, too! In the Q/A, someone suggests that it has an extension of 15". Not quite what you need, but definitely something that'd be leverable for more range vs. weight.

29th April 2008, 04:46 AM	(permalink)
Hank Fletcher	Here you go, 24" pre-fab. For about 4x my last suggestion, might be worth the time in labour to you, depending on your design. I'm beginning to see how using a single hydraulic cylinder with a couple scissor supports might work for you. How's this all working out in your design/cost plans? Is the retracted cylinder length of about 3' acceptable? http://cgi.ebay.ca/2-Bore-24-Stroke-...742.m153.l1262

29th April 2008, 09:32 PM	(permalink)
IronRooster	Thanks for all the help. I'm going with a car jack driven by a servo motor. It has the power and is easy to attach.

29th April 2008, 11:00 PM	(permalink)
blueroomelectronics	A typical servo motor has no where near enough torque to turn a car jack. __________________ Bill Smart Kits build Smart People http://www.blueroomelectronics.com

30th April 2008, 03:12 AM	(permalink)
blueroomelectronics	Look at the size of the motor on this car jack __________________ Bill Smart Kits build Smart People http://www.blueroomelectronics.com

30th April 2008, 02:36 PM	(permalink)
IronRooster	Blueroom, where did you find that carjack and how much was it?

30th April 2008, 03:07 PM	(permalink)
picbits	Might help if you post your location - the world is a big old place for sourcing stuff like this